NorCal and Klutch
NorCal and Klutch
Overcoming Obstacles with Brasa. ClickCreate and AOTM
Can a community of artists overcome censorship and thrive despite political obstacles? This episode explores the fascinating journey of Brazilian digital artists facing significant challenges as they navigate reduced visibility on X (formerly Twitter). We sit down with NorCal, Klutch, and members of the AOTM team, Justin and Aniko, to discuss the strategies these resilient artists are using to maintain their creative output. Hear from Hugo and Cider, who share firsthand accounts of leveraging new technologies and platforms like ClickCreate and AOTM to keep their art alive and visible.
Facing the Twitter ban during major events like NFT Brazil, Brazilian artists have had to become incredibly resourceful. Through alternative communication methods like Instagram, Telegram, and Signal, they've managed to sustain their vibrant community spirit. Otis and Hugo provide insights into the unique hurdles Brazilian artists encounter and their unyielding determination to share their work. We delve into the transition of artists to decentralized platforms such as Farcaster and explore the rich tapestry of styles and inspirations that define the Brazilian digital art scene.
Every Wednesday, we celebrate a new artist drop, showcasing incredible talent like Lord, Beissu, and 0010_888. We discuss the logistical efforts behind these drops and our commitment to documenting these moments through video production and a growing YouTube channel. In this final segment, we highlight the importance of inclusivity and representation, spotlighting influential Brazilian curators and artists like Kika Nicolella and Les Cogumelos. Join us as we champion the collaborative spirit driving the global art community, ensuring these dedicated artists receive the recognition and support they deserve.
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Hey everyone. Norcal and Clutch, here we are back to bring you a new episode. This is a one-time only, but maybe not, we will see. We had a little snafu today on our spaces where we were announcing our Brazilian month with AOTM and we forgot to hit the record button. So luckily, good old trusty NorCal had the thing recording on the side, the epic podcaster himself always prepared. So, norcal, you are here with me recording this quick intro. Before we get into it, I got a couple questions for you real quick. What do you think of the spaces today?
Speaker 3:that was great, great overview of some of the art, the history. Um, I was really glad to have, uh, the aotm team there. Um, justin and aniko, yes, and they were just great to have and get their insights because I feel like they have a. Especially Nico has like that special insight into kind of the background and everything, cause I think it was like she is her husband's Brazilian or something like that, so she has that background, that cultural background as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those two both had a great vibe, but I really liked them. Uh, you could tell they're really here for the art, which both had a great vibe. I really like them. Uh, you could tell they're really here for the art, which is always a great thing for sure.
Speaker 3:And then the artists themselves um, hearing from hugo and that recording from cider, um, it was great to hear their thoughts on the art, the situation and things going forward yeah, it was very interesting.
Speaker 1:I still don't know what I would do if I lost access to x. I feel like that would cripple our project. So I do think it's pretty cool that we are highlighting them, as is aotm, because they are in a position now where their reach has definitely dropped, regardless For sure, yeah, and there's nothing they can do about it, and that sucks. But you know, luckily our platform, clickcreate, and AOTM can help bring them some visibility, so I hope that helps.
Speaker 3:For sure. It's definitely unfortunate. I mean thankful that there are some VPNs that they can use if needed, but hopefully everything will be sorted out in a short period of time.
Speaker 1:So this episode we're going to go right into these spaces we recorded with AOTM and those Brazilian artists. It's very interesting to learn how they feel about this all in the moment. You'll get a very good background of all that, how they're handling it, what kind of technology they're using to work around it. They do all sound very much like they hope to get X back. So if you can support them in this moment, we highly encourage it. I know Norkel and I have been on some of the AOTM pieces. We're obviously going to do our best to highlight the Brazilian artists under Pravin's curation in October. And if you like this too, the little bit of banter between NorCal and I, and if you want us to bring back a NorCal and clutch regular show, please set us up in the comments, because we always wonder if we should. We enjoy it. We always I mean, we talk to each other all the time, right, like yeah, I would.
Speaker 3:I would love to have the show come back. It'd be fun, like, do this like a twice a month type of thing, I think would be, would be a good cadence all right.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm down. If the listeners are down, please reply in the dms and let us know you'd like that. If we get enough feedback, maybe we'll attempt to do that. So thank you everyone for checking it out, uh, and checking out these spaces and checking out these Brazilian artists. Thank you everyone for attending. This will be recorded so you can listen back to it if you want.
Speaker 1:If you have to leave for any reason, we are here today because we want to. You know, it's funny, we actually got here by accident. Obviously, us at Click Create, we do our own thing all the time, and AOTM, they do their own thing, but we're very much kind of peers in the space. We have a lot of great friendships amongst our teams and it turns out we somehow all ended up on wanting to feature Brazilian artists this month and we found out by accident. And then we decided, you know what, maybe it'd be better if we all worked together as a team, because these are great artists who are, in the moment, very much censored and, you know, obviously having issues selling their art on X and due to the differences of opinions between Elon and the leaders of Brazil. And so, yeah, here we are.
Speaker 1:I am not an expert on these issues myself. I will freely admit that I like to think of myself as an expert on just highlighting great artists, and so that's what I'm here to do today. I want to be here to learn more about the situation in Brazil personally and find out how I can help these artists more, because I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I don't even know how I do my job without X at the moment. Is there anything you AOTM team members want to add before we get started?
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, no, I appreciate you giving us a bit of a rundown, but, yes, we decided, as you mentioned, just in sort of solidarity with Brazilian digital artists, to present a curated collection of some of the top artists that we see in the space. Of course, there are very, very many of them. This is just a small selection and the auctions are actually live today through Thursday on AOTM. So, but, yeah, really great to be able to be here with Click Create. I think there were a lot of synergies, you know, at the, you know and in terms of just how we want to, we want to contribute to the space, but, of course, first and foremost, that's really highlighting great artists which is why we're all here today.
Speaker 1:So thank you so much for having us. Thank you, yes.
Speaker 4:AOTM has a bunch of one of ones. As I understand it Correct, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a collection of one of ones. The sort of exhibition sale curation is called Desconectados, so disconnected, for obvious reasons, and yes, I will pin a tweet to the top to show so everyone can navigate there on their own and check out all you things and works.
Speaker 5:And really Clutch. It was really great because a lot of these artists we've met throughout our time here in this space, a lot of these artists I met on Tezos, on Hicket, nook and, as we know, a lot of these early platforms. There were a lot of leaders that came up and this creative community, especially in Brazil, is pretty strong. So when all this came down with these legal ramifications, a lot of these artists got into their Telegram, they had their WhatsApp chats, they all gathered together and you know they do a lot of IRL events but also just being able to come together in solidarity to support each other. So I think it's been really great for to support each other. So I think it's been really great for, you know, clickcreate, for AOTM, for all of us to sort of find new ways of sort of broadcasting and distributing these great artists and creatives during this time.
Speaker 1:Thank you. I'd also like to bring Praveen up to the stage. Praveen, are you with us?
Speaker 6:Hey everyone. Yes, I'm here. Thanks for having me on this.
Speaker 1:So you have been well actually for us personally on ClickCreate, we have talked to you guys at DECA for a long time about curating a month for us and as it went on, you guys found out you were going to be really busy right now with, obviously, the launch of Shape. Congratulations to you guys. It sounds like it is going really well. And you know I think it was back in July you came to NorCal and I and you told us that you would like to feature Brazilian artists, and this was before the whole thing ever went down. So all this kind of happened by happenstance, but I feel like maybe it's the stars aligning for a reason that we in this community can all help support these great artists at a time where they probably feel, like you know, things are going against them. So thank you, praveen. Can you tell us how you came up with this idea yourself to curate a group of Brazilian artists?
Speaker 6:Can you tell us how you came up with this idea yourself to curate a group of Brazilian artists? Yeah, sure. So you know, I've been in this space for a few years and, thanks to the space, and even with the limitation that I only consume Twitter and English, I managed to come across a few different communities the Japanese community, the Turkish community and, specifically, the Brazilian community. So I've been chatting with quite a few Brazilian artists for the last few years and then, I think almost a year and a half back, I started a group chat just because I was like, hey, I really like all the art that you guys do, and this is, I think, even before I joined DECA, and I just wanted to get more exposure to art that they saw themselves, or artists that were not very active on English Twitter and you know, just to get exposure to different artists from you know what we are just see ourselves just because of our English algorithms.
Speaker 6:And then, you know, with Click Create you know it's the second season I've been watching what all the curators have brought on and you know you've had some incredible curators, of course, and I was like, how can I possibly distinguish myself, uh, in curation, compared to all the people you've had before, who are often, you know, specialists in their genre themselves, and so I thought, oh, let me do something different and just do something more regional. So I reached out to the people in US and I'd love to have a curation specifically for Brazilian artists, even though I'm not Brazilian myself and they were quite interested in it. And then, of course, everything happened with Twitter being banned and it was hard to get in touch with a lot of them. Often I started reaching out to them through Instagram and Telegram or wherever I could connect with them. I'm glad that I was able to get some of the artists to drop the crew this month.
Speaker 1:Thank you. I would like to ask Justin too. It seems like you two are the ones who are doing most of the reaching out. What has your experience been like in trying to contact these artists? In this moment, either one of you.
Speaker 5:Well, you know, it's really fascinating because, you know, we, every day, we're on our Instagrams, we're on our Twitters, we're on our emails, we're on Signal, we're on, you know, whatsapp, we're on Telegram. So it's been really interesting and what I did was I reached out to one of the artists, otis, as well as Omente Hovum, and they basically were able to, you know, help gather everyone together and, again, just reinforcing this leadership that they, or this community that they've all created. It's really special, and so Otis was very helpful. And then, once that introduction happened, then you know, it was sort of a domino effect, but it's not been easy, to say the least, because I had to go through multiple different platforms to basically reach out to them and then finally we got them all together in a telegram. But this sort of Twitter hiccup or bump in the road has been really interesting to reevaluate. You know how we do communicate with people and how we do gather together, when we relied on the Twitter feed for so long.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and for me it was interesting, like I think the I was messaging a few of them and I think it was just when NFT Brazil was happening and I was like, hey, where are all the events? You know, I was trying to like just enjoy it vicariously through them and then, of course, that's exactly when the block on Twitter happened, so I didn't even know. You know, I started I've not been on Instagram as much as I'm obviously on Twitter and I started following all of them and reaching out to them and a lot of them had also been traveling for NFT Brazil, and so it's good that you know. I think they said that technically it's not blocked anymore, but they're still getting blocked and still being coordinating with them and using the Click Create Discord as a backup, just in case, but we're still trying to do the coordination through Twitter.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I also, just so everyone knows, I was informed. Apparently, when we changed the title of the spaces, we lost the record feature, so I am recording it on my end and we will put out a recording later today From there. I heard Adas. Now I heard Adas is the leader. Adas is driving with you guys at AOTM. Adas, are you there? Are you able to speak? Can you talk to us about what it's been like being in Brazil and going through this?
Speaker 7:Hey, hey, yeah. So first of all, it's nice to be here I hope everyone can hear me and, yeah, so it's crazy right To be like an artist and you can add a new layer to that as being an artist in Brazil, in the global South, and now a new layer to it when you talk this new X-Pen here, right? So, yeah, it's been crazy days and pretty much I have learned a lot from X community, from the crypto art space, and it inspired me so much. So when we got the news that everything was happening, it was really frustrated. But yeah, we're still pushing, we're still creating, so I think good days will come, creating, so I think good days will come, you know.
Speaker 1:Amen. We also have Hugo on the stage, who is also going to be dropping with AOTM. Hugo, are you available to speak?
Speaker 8:Yeah, thanks for inviting me here. Nice to be here and then be able to talk about the situation. Well, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1:Great man, I I just want to. I guess I will let uh, if justin wants to have the dialogue with you, to uh explain how you feel and you guys can lead it for a while. Feel free to go ahead amazing, clutch, amazing.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, hugo, maybe you could share. You've been quite vocal. You've had some really amazing tweets as well and statements. Just was wondering how this has been affecting your creative process, just sort of your day-to-day, and your distribution and broadcasting of your artwork.
Speaker 8:Sure, yeah, sure, my pleasure. It's interesting that I had after the ban, a few days after the ban, I used the VPN to go into Twitter again, despite the risk of being fined or anything. But anyway, uh, I went into twitter because I was seeing uh, elon's uh posts about the brazilian situation on in the brazilian media and and I said, hey, this is like a complete manipulation of the narrative. I have to go back there and tell my friends about what's really going on, because the general narrative like if the brazilians are not even in twitter to be able to like, give a, a counterpoint to, to whatever's been said about the situation, then we're just letting elon uh brag and say whatever. So, there, there's a lot of, there's a lot of bullshit and and that, and in the end, uh, that's what prevailed, because Elon just backtracked, designed a new legal representative for Twitter in Brazil, complied with the court notices, et cetera, because there was not really much to in the allegations end of. What I did was like make a thread explaining what's the general.
Speaker 8:Of course there's controversy in the in the topic, but uh, but uh, the general view is that Elon is is the big fuck up in this case here. So of course, nobody likes the ban. We as artists, especially in the digital art community, we heavily depend on on X to be able to, like, put our work, work to the world, for the world to see. But the general narrative in Brazil is that Elon is the big fuck up in this case and we're just wanting to comply and everything. I think Elon has been making a case for everybody to hate him in terms of how he's been handling the new algorithms on Twitter, et cetera. Nobody's really satisfied, right? So, yeah, it's Nobody's really satisfied.
Speaker 8:It's controversial, of course, these issues of what is censorship, what is free speech, what is a binding to certain rules, because rules are important for any kind of society to be able to thrive. Anyway, there's all these things involved. So I had made this thread, that the thread went viral, had many I don't know many hundreds or even thousands of shares on social media, and then, a couple of days later, autis actually reached out to me and said, hey, art of this Millennium is looking to make a curation of Brazilian artists, let's do this. And I said, hey, yeah, of course. So I made a piece about the situation itself, like turning that thread that I made, explaining the situation, into an art piece of sorts.
Speaker 5:It's really great, too, and I encourage everyone to check it out. It's really great, too, and I encourage everyone to check it out. Hugo, other than Twitter, what have you guys like? Instagram Warpcaster? Are there other ways in which you guys are getting the word out about your work and your creations?
Speaker 8:Yeah, it's interesting because before the ban happened, I had already kind of started a movement of trying to move out of Twitter. As I said, like, twitter is becoming a little bit like too much toxic for my liking and, of course, we still depend on it. That's where all the NFT art movement is still. Unfortunately, they happen Like. But if this is a decentralized movement, we should be looking to build a centralized place for us to live and thrive. So I had started doing this movement in parts.
Speaker 8:One is going back to Instagram because that's where my biggest audience is and I think for most Brazilian visual artists, it's Instagram where we have our biggest audience generally. Oh, this is also uh I think he will agree with me here especially how, how big he became and and instagram as well, with uh, with his uh, with his like technological art filters and which are so cool, by the way, and uh. So I went a bit back to instagram because that's where we have our biggest opportunity for onboarding new people to digital art and NFTs and et cetera. I think it's important for us because we're here, we're already inserted in the global movement, but what about our roots? Can we go back and help like, onboard more people to the space and two go look for the decentralized options. So Farcaster is a great one, despite it's being still very small, and lately I've been betting a lot on and experimenting and already started like sharing my stuff on 6529's brain on C'sio website, which is still in alpha stage, but it's so promising and I encourage everyone to check it out.
Speaker 5:And Otis, maybe you can reflect upon some of our artists that are in the AOTM show that we just dropped today, as well as in Click Create's curation by Praven, as basically they're not native English speakers. Obviously they're not native English speakers, but they basically English is not their forte. Otis, could you maybe reflect upon some of the other sentiments of some of the other artists that are in both ClickCreates drops this month as well as in the AOTM drop.
Speaker 7:Yeah, for sure. So I think we have really good names for the drop. I gotta say like when I started this journey here in Brazil in the crypto art space, all of them were already like pushing it. So it's really nice to see like PixelFool he's a really big friend and we've done some stuff here in Brazil and I like how he does like the pixels and how he makes it animated. You know it's like a new way to look at it.
Speaker 7:And Fask is actually a friend of mine from college. We studied engineering together. There were crazy days, yeah, and we were doing every day. We were like studying math and physics all day long when we started to create like 3d art together. So I've met him from years and it's really awesome to see he is involving his artwork since then. You know he is really inspired by people. He was doing every days when I, when we start, um, when we met in college, you know. So it was really nice to see how he's pushing it. I like how how he used the human figure and to create like dimension on his artworks.
Speaker 7:Also, liz Cogumelos I love her artwork. Like we're saying on the EAM right now, her artwork is really about like traveling, about like traveling, and every time that I see one of her new pieces, it really encourages me to go out, you know, and travel and discover new place. So I think he has a lot of emotions on that. And, of course, etienne. I think Etienne is probably one of the first Brazilian artists to mint an artwork on the crypto art space and, yeah, he's like one of the first OGs that we have and he has a lot of emotion as well and he's starting like a new moment of his art. Right, this is his first piece in I think it's two years that he was like learning new ways to create his art. So that's a really special piece for him. So I'm glad it's on the show as well.
Speaker 7:And, yeah, I mean Omente Jovem it's a translation for like the young mind. He's really young, he's like 22 or 23. I think. We've met several times in brazil in advance and I was with him like uh, last week, and he's always like with a lot of ideas. He's really creative, you know. So I think the young mind is really awesome name for him and I like how he managed to create his piece when he started using Alexandre de Moraes image, right, but now, if you look at it, you can see the Brazilian, like the country you know, so it's. It's awesome how he's managed to create that. Afonso Caravaggio he is also one of the OGs. I love how he made the modern Renaissance collection and you can actually look at it as the modern Renaissance. You know, it's pretty much a combination with the traditional art space, but now in a digital form.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so I think I could say all of this. I love pretty much everyone's artwork Hugo as well. He has a lot of message in his work. It's nice to be with him on this space and we've met uh, we still not met, uh erl, right, but we've been speaking for years now and toques as well. Toques, he's a really good friend.
Speaker 7:He actually was raised in Amazonia, amazon Forest, right, and it's really awesome to hear him talking about how he managed his artwork. And I've met his family, his kids. He's a lovely person. So it's always nice to see how the Brazilian artists managed to create this beautiful artwork, especially on our case that I always say this like when I started this journey back in early 2021, to mint an artwork in Ethereum, it was around $200, right? And just to give a quick example, in Brazil, the monthly minimum weight is around $250. So it was pretty much expensive for us. So I just want to finish my words about the curation saying this like it's really hard to be here, especially now with the X-Band right, band right, but it's awesome to see how all the artists are pushing incredible artworks with a lot of message and feelings on it, you know I just really want to thank audis.
Speaker 5:Audis, thank you for that. You can obviously see how audis is such a great leader in this space. Not only is he very creative and using new technologies, he created this amazing Instagram filter that made everything purple. It's called Purple Valley and it went global, but he's also using VR and AR to create works based on his street graffiti. But, as you can tell from what Otis has talked about is, brazil is very diverse. It's very diverse in geography and regions and climates, as well as people and creativity, and this is so exciting to be able to bring so many different people using so many different tools to create so many different types of artworks. Praven, I was wondering with you, with the Click, create drop, how did you select some of these artists that you have and what does the drop look like over the next month here?
Speaker 6:Yes, it was a bit hard because, you know, I wanted to try to get you know five artists in and try to have different styles, but I mean, of course every artist is quite unique and try to have different styles, but I mean, of course every artist is quite unique and trying to create some kind of thematic thing and not just like trying to encapsulate the Brazilian culture, the Brazilian at least my impression of the Brazilian culture as an outsider, of course, and how I've viewed the art in the space.
Speaker 6:So, you know, I reached out to some artists. Some were not available or some said, um, you know they, uh, they weren't sure if they want you know what to do with their supply or things like that, and some artists were quite up for it and uh, and then I was trying to juggle, like who would be a good range and like have them all together as a, as a team of artists and as a whole. You know a collection of a month. So I just chose these five and I was glad that they all were able to be part of this how does the, how does the drop work?
Speaker 5:is it, is it one artist a week, or what does it look like over the next month here?
Speaker 1:I'll let Clutch. If you want to take over for that part, sure, yeah. So we do one drop a week. Every Wednesday, we go live. We go live with the public phase. We use a thing called prepay. It's almost similar to what VVD is doing with the notables, right? So he sold a pass, basically for 3.45, and then, if you get it, you get all the airdrops. Well, we have a similar situation where we have a pass and if you use the pass, you can use a prepay app that we built that allows you to collect ahead and just to. So you never have to worry. Worry about am I going to be at the computer at the right time of day or whatever I can. Just it's like an easy way to subscribe is how we use it. So, yeah, every wednesday we go live with it. We highlight one artist a week.
Speaker 1:We invest heavily into video production to promote said artists. We're building out a youtube channel. Over time. We hope it's going to become a nice catalog of, like you know, celebrating the space in the moment. Uh, you'll be able to. You know, 10 years from now, I imagine people will be able to go back and be like, wow, that was that person back then. You know, and I think that'll be really cool because it's kind of like when you see, when you see a historical video, uh, from, like, say, jeff bezos, right when he was like the little nerdy guy, right. So it's like it's interesting, we're capturing these moments in real time and I think it's going to tell great stories down the line and it'll be a good long-term investment for us. But yeah, we're starting next week with uh who, who is lord, or is it just Lord?
Speaker 6:Just Lord, I believe.
Speaker 1:Okay, lord, and then we go to Bisu, then we do 0010, underscore 888. I don't. Is there another way? I should be saying that one Praveen do you know, oh, even I'm not sure.
Speaker 6:I always refer to them as 0010. I'm not sure any other way to vocalize their name and I think it's. You know. I feel like the Brazilians in here should probably be correcting us on like, like pronunciation, for like Bezu, for example. I pronounce it Bezu and I pronounce it Saez.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it's just Bezu.
Speaker 6:Bezu right, oh yes.
Speaker 5:It's not just Bezu Bezu, right? Oh yes, it's not Jeff Bezu.
Speaker 1:Is it cider? Is it cider? Please tell me it's cider, because this is what I say in my head.
Speaker 7:I got to say I call him Cid, but that would be like the Portuguese pronounce. You know, I don't know if he went for like an English pronounce, but we speak, we say like Cid. You know, I don't know if he went for like an English pronounce, but we speak, we say like sidi, you know.
Speaker 8:That's just how it goes. I thought it was cider, but yeah, could be anything.
Speaker 5:Go ahead, Klaj, I was going to say all the pronunciations I have in my head have just been totally wrong.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it's like anymore.
Speaker 6:I'm literally picturing beauty. Laugh at us right now of all the pronunciations. I see her and I can literally visualize her in real life, like just laughing at our pronunciations of Brazilian names, but hey.
Speaker 5:Speaking of SIDR or CIDR. I have a little recording from him. He's going to talk about the AOTM drop as well as the click create, drop, so please let's listen in just recording something because I cannot use twitter.
Speaker 2:I'm not using vpn, so therefore I'm just recording and I believe that justin will play the sound on this on the twitter spaces. But I'm going to talk a little bit about my piece. Um, what inspired me to create this piece is genuinely just a thought that I had when I looked at Brazil's situation right now, not only because of the Twitter thing, but like more things that I do experience from day to day. But, you know, it's genuinely just a combination of taxes, crimes, politics and many other factors that just you know, kind of make me want to move out of the country. Therefore, this piece is kind of like a future memory of mine that I did create. Explaining a little bit about the piece, the surrounding is kind of a postcard or a frame to archive pictures, in a way. I got this reference from a little thing that I had at home and I did some research on the internet. However, I do not have the name for it, but it's sort of like a frame for pictures, old pictures and inside, on its background, it's a brazilian passport and on top of it it's uh, I don't know if you guys have seen it, but it's a meme of john lennon moving around like really happy he's walking somewhere. So john lennon walking, happy as fuck, is a representation of me getting out of this country for vacations um, that, you know, may last forever or not, I don't know, but that's what I hope, and he looks like really keen to go where he's going to, and that's an accurate representation of me walking out of the airport whenever I land somewhere else that isn't brazil. In the original picture he's holding a girl's hands. In mine I tried to mold her to be in the shape of Brazil and on top of her it's a passport symbol that we have, actually, and that means that I simply want to bring a little bit of Brazil with me on the trip. It's not that, as I said before, brazil has many negative sides of it, but I do actually like some of the parts that we have, however, I mean so me getting out of this country doesn't necessarily mean that I'm leaving the country. I'm bringing it also with me. So that's kind of the meaning that I have for my piece. I hope that answers all the questions and so on. Definitely check out the meme John Lennon walking meme If you don't know. It's going to give you a bright understanding of what the piece is about, or I hope it helps. But yeah, pretty much that's it. Thank you guys for everything. I appreciate everyone in this drop Definitely something huge and I'm super happy to be part of.
Speaker 2:For the click rate drop, I must admit that I haven't finished the piece. However, it's looking really bright, really colorful and very textured. With the piece, I'll be doing something more abstract and with this I'm definitely going to try to bring more attention to other interpretations other than mine. For example, for the AOTM drop, I did something that is more personal. This one is going to be more open in a sense. So definitely it's going to be a very experimental work for me in which I'm loving the process of creating something that you haven't made before. It a challenge, and that's why I look into making art. Yes, I'm saying this, but I haven't finished the piece.
Speaker 5:So, yeah, you see he's very. This is what these drops are about not only bringing community together, but also for artists to be able to experiment. So, as you heard, cider's very excited about just participating in both of these exhibitions and it's really great to hear the artist process.
Speaker 1:Thanks for getting those, justin. That was really nice. The last artist we have dropping with us is our rewards drop. So what we do is we, if you collect every one, all the primary drops, you will get a reward drop at the end, and we buy that piece outright from the artist, essentially, and then we do a big snapshot at the end to distribute it. That artist for us is Ilio Jebel. I'm probably butchering this too it's like I Leo Jebel.
Speaker 7:It's Portuguese pronounced, but yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1:Portuguese is hard thank you, appreciate it. So yeah, that's. That's Pravin's drop and we're excited to be showcasing it at click create. Appreciate it. So yeah, that's Praveen's drop and we're excited to be showcasing it at ClickCreate. We love that. We do this. We get the opportunity to hand the reins over to somebody else every month and for us it helps our own exploration.
Speaker 1:I know Norkelkel and I we talk about it all the time, how we end up in our own bubbles. I personally have not collected a lot of brazilian art before, but I'm looking forward to it and this will probably be my first major exposure to it. So this is why I love click create. What we have built, I think it's a. It's a really unique platform that allows a much broader array of artists to shine through, and then a lot of other platforms that have come before us. So we're pretty proud of what we built, and I think aotm does a great job too. Obviously, uh, they. You know you guys did a drop recently. That was another one where I was like man, I have not heard of any of these artists and it just kind of blew my mind. And there was one where it was like, uh, these bears sleeping in the forest.
Speaker 4:You guys remember that one yes, that was goyang um, that was actually. Uh, I'm glad you brought that up. That's an initiative close to my heart. That's the Artist in Residence program we have, where we work with three artists for three months on, like weekly kind of career development, curatorial development, and those are artists that typically maybe you wouldn't work with, maybe they're a little bit more emerging. That group actually had Rebecca Rose, who's certainly not emerging. Yeah, that's that's kind of a way for us to be able to work with artists that aren't necessarily on our roster, um, just like these curated collections also allow us to work with artists that, um, aren't necessarily in our ecosystem, um, which is which is really exciting, and uh, we, you know we learn a lot from them. Uh, but, yes, that was, that was Goyang um, and uh, yeah, that was the Sleeping Bears.
Speaker 1:The open edition was a good one yeah, that entire, that entire drop was, I thought, great. I definitely picked up a few pieces myself and you know, I feel like we've come a long way, as in this space.
Speaker 3:You know, it wasn't that long ago where everybody looked at.
Speaker 1:You know artists should just go direct, and I definitely think artists should go direct a lot. But there are a lot of other platforms that have been built over this time during the bear market, mind you that are here to help and support artists right, and that I think aotm and click create both exemplify that to a huge degree and I'm proud to be on our team and I hope you guys are proud to be on yours, because it is very honorable. I feel like what we're doing here.
Speaker 4:I agree. I think it's a really interesting question actually is like the sort of, you know, platforms, middlemen are they necessary? Are they just sort of rent seeking? You know, I come from the traditional gallery world and that model can be very, very valuable for artists and really, really positive and can that can be, that can result in really beautiful working relationships with the gallerists, slash dealers and artists for many, many decades. That, you know, creates value for both sides. That would not have been there without that collaboration.
Speaker 4:Right, there are also instances where galleries are just sort of, you know, glorified luxury items storefronts that are just kind of, you know, doing very little for an artist's career other than selling something they could have sold themselves. But I think that what we try to do at AOTM, I think what you guys are doing with Click Create as well, is not just selling art, it's sort of telling stories and giving a platform to artists not just to sell and distribute their work but to convey their messages and their practices. And I think that you know what's really insane and beautiful about this space is that it's so global. And you know we're right here talking to artists who are in Brazil and Goyang is from Korea, and you know, we get to have these communions with artists we would maybe not come into contact with unless we were in this space and allow them access to sort of rooms quote unquote that maybe they wouldn't also, and I think those are really valuable and positive and that's kind of what we're all trying to do to to build this, this early space that that we, that we love. I totally agree with those words.
Speaker 4:Where was your background? Anika didn't, but they did represent Frank Stella, which was very cool. And then I worked at a gallery in Chicago called Monique Malosh, which is a little bit more on the emerging side, which I think actually gave me more of my taste for something like this space. That is so about, you know, it's really about building markets and it's about creating careers and not just sort of selling the top Right, and I think that's what's exciting Although we also love to, you know, sell very expensive things to rich people. It's kind of more fun to find artists and help artists that really need help and help to develop them and help to design sort of sustainable, successful, long-term careers.
Speaker 5:Also, aniko and I both come from the art history background as well, with a little bit of business involved in there too. So it's been really really cool to understand that. You know, it's just not the art, but it's the artists behind the art too, and it's the history that they're creating. I was recently at the Toledo Museum, got to see Yotreda's opening, was up in Montreal for TJO's opening there as well, and then just was in Buffalo for Tina Rivers-Ryan's exhibition called Electric Op, and so many generative artists like Snowfro and Casey Reyes and Lovid were all in attendance as well, and Loved were all in attendance as well. So it's really great now to see these digital art being just part of art and included in this way.
Speaker 5:And, to your point too, clutch with ClickArt or ClickArt I apologize ClickCreate and AOTM. You know it's about selling the art, but it's also about the artist, and I think that's where I'm very fortunate to also have met Otis early in Clubhouse and develop a relationship, even though we have not met in real life yet, just working async and together in different ways. So it's a really special time that we're all at and I want to acknowledge a lot of the people in the room today as well. There's so many artists, there's so many builders. We're still here and it's good to be with real good people good, creative, talented people. So definitely remember that that we're here for a reason and we're creating together and that's pretty fucking amazing.
Speaker 1:I love that. Well, this is the first time I'm really getting to know both of you two and I just want to say the passion in your voice comes through, so it's a pleasure getting to know you guys. Hopefully we can work more in the future. Hugo, I see your hand raised down there. Did you want to add something?
Speaker 8:Yeah, sure, thanks. So, yeah, I just wanted to add a few comments on these last words of yours. It's really amazing that you all guys like went with these initiatives, especially in the situation that Brazilian artists are in right now in this space, with less options to showcase their work, so it's really awesome. But I also would like to make a call for action, in a sense that being in charge of these platforms, which have like a great, amazing reach, which is doing amazing work, showcasing artists Another way, I think, to further contribute, like, and not just because we just had an Ask Me Anything question back in Telegram for the AOTM show and one of the questions that was asked of the artists was what is the message that you would like to to give collectors and peers in space about how to support artists?
Speaker 8:And one of the issues that was raised, like, yeah, support is awesome. We need support, especially in these times but also like, uh, look at the art that is being made in the in the developing world. Let's say I don't, I don't like these terms too much like developing world emerging artists. Because, say I don't like these terms too much, like developing world emerging artists? Because there's always some kind of division between what defines an emerging artist right. So, anyway, what I mean to say is it's also possible for initiatives like this to involve more the people from the Brazilians, for example in this case specifically, but also artists and curators from all parts of the world to to spearhead, you know, to lead these initiatives of curation. It's super nice the curation that we have, for example, in these two, in these two curations here, but whenever you talk to any of us, any of the Brazilian artists, I'm sure all of us can pinpoint so many other amazing artists that didn't have the opportunity to be in this. Of course, you can't have everyone, but invite Brazilian curators, for example, for shows like this or a guest curation on one of your platforms, etc. There are amazing curators. Kika Nicolella is a curator that's been acting in the Tezo scene from the very beginning. She's Brazilian. She's also like super amazing. I'm a curator too. I founded a museum here in Brazil.
Speaker 8:So when you're going to look at these initiatives for showcasing artists who are underprivileged in a sense or another, that is awesome. But also like try to always include these people in how to make these initiatives. So I'm sure you're going to like underprivileged in a sense or another. That is awesome, but also like try to always include these people in how to make these initiatives. So I'm sure you're gonna like even reach even more artists who are amazing and have even less space than the ones of us who are kind of like already here. It's hard for everyone, but we are mostly the ones who can already like speak some english, you know, who can already find their way in the space, and it's there's so many of us who don't have the same opportunities and we can make sure to like even take this, this inclusion process, further. So, yeah, that's just a and another thing that I wanted to say go for these durations and raise the bids. Raise the bids because they're going for incredibly cheap so far.
Speaker 6:Yeah, another thing I've noticed, like there are three main curators, like on Tezos, for the object website, and two of them are Brazilian.
Speaker 6:And even for me, as I do not have the art background that Justin and Aniko have, but yet I was, you know, thanks to Amente Home, I, you know, dove into a rabbit hole of Brazilian artists, and it wasn't that I was asking him, just show me Brazilian artists, I would say, let me know about artists. And then you know, les Cogumelos I think I can't even remember if I found her through object first, or through it was either fungible or met your home that I found her and I was obsessed with her work and and even her, like, I met her in Paris as well, and she just got a very positive energy. So it's it's, you know, all these artists kind of lead you down this path of finding more artists or more curators or more collectors, who are, you know, all these artists kind of lead you down this path of finding more artists or more curators or more collectors, who are, you know, have a story behind why they're either making the art or collecting the art in the space.
Speaker 5:Speaking of that too, we have Les Kokumelis in the audience as well and, if you know, Tukes wants to come up as well. Anyone, please? That's part of our drop. I see, see a lot of other artists Aniko and I've worked with as well. We really, hugo, thank you for your words as well, because I think these types of initiatives, these inclusivity is very much top of mind, and I think there are more ways and more ways that these platforms and other other engagements can happen. So, and here we have Leis Cucumeles how are you? So? I apologize if I pronounced it wrong in Portuguese. How's it going?
Speaker 6:Are you there?
Speaker 9:Hi, this is Matthew. I'm sorry, it was glitching a bit Amazing. Are you there? Hi, this is my cue.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, it was glitching a bit Amazing. We're so glad you're here. Could you tell us a little bit about your work and you know just how it's been being a creator in Brazil? It sounds like we might have some sound issues. Maybe we can return back when you have your. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 5:Go ahead, you can try again.
Speaker 9:Yeah, I don't know if it's working.
Speaker 9:Yeah, it is now yeah we can hear you yeah you're good, yeah, I am in the mirror of the road so I don't know if the signal is going to play in my favor, but I'm going to try to be brief. So this piece Bloom Through the Wound. I was almost finishing when OTM asked me to invite me to the show. So I was actually very glad that I had a piece to show and I started making it when the year began. So it came as a sketch first because I was going through a hard time and usually I don't make art that is emotional, because I feel like if I present my emotions, my hard emotions, in art, it's like I'm eternalizing this feeling. That is not good.
Speaker 9:So I try to transform the sentiment in something that has like more, a hopeful feeling. So in this case I was feeling really broken, but then I know that it's possible to thrive even in moments like that. So I took inspiration from white flowers that grow in concrete, like even in places that is totally imaginative to see life coming through. They are there, like those white flowers, white plants. They find a way in the crack and for me this is my way of also kind of taking nature as a metaphor for life. You know, to take this knowledge you know and represent in my own way. And it was really nice to integrate 3d with 2d. So I sculpt the doll first, with no one sculpt and then I I start animating the flowers, frame by frame.
Speaker 9:It's also my first time that I'm rendering the animation, usually frame by frame. Animation is very flat, sorry, it's okay, it's usually very flat, but I wanted to give a little more of depth to this animation. So I was rendering, painting each one of the frames, and I was very glad with the results but also took some time. But at the same time, it's really nice to this process that takes a long time, because I can also use this time to process my own feelings, my own experience. So even if you take days, even if you take days, it is worth it because not only I get the final piece but I also get this place where I can just wander with my mind to try to make sense of things and to really meditate about what I'm living.
Speaker 9:And yeah, and then also the cold part was really nice with the Chateau Petit. I think it adds another dimension when you can like do cold without colding. So yeah, I was very glad that I could bring this, because when I was making I was like, oh, I like both the dark and the light background, so maybe I don't need to choose, and then I didn't, so I just put both in the case. But I hope it's not too noisy because I'm really in the middle of the road. But, yeah, thanks for having me and for this show to showcase a Brazilian artist is very important this moment and, yeah, I'm very grateful and I hope the action goes well.
Speaker 5:Thank you well, well, stay safe and thank you so much. I mean, as you guys can see, this piece is pretty awesome. She's done it with light and dark mode, it has it's interactive and this is awesome. I'm so excited. So many of the artists that I've got to talk to over the last couple of weeks are doing new things, they're experimenting with new tech, and that's what's so awesome about this space, and here you are using ChatGBT to code, and who would have thought, like two years ago, or even a year ago, that we'd be even talking about this right now? So what an awesome, awesome time to be alive and, moreover, what an awesome artwork that you presented us with. So thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you very much. It's always interesting to get the person checking in from out in the middle of the street. How is the internet there? What's Brazil like, anyway? Can you guys answer this? What's Brazil like, anyway? Can you guys answer this? Otis or Yuko? Is it quick? Is it fast? What's it?
Speaker 7:like.
Speaker 5:That's a good question.
Speaker 8:Depends on where you are. I think Exactly, but I live in Sao Paulo, so the internet here is in general like I get best connection than when I go to New York City. So I don't think we have, at least in the big cities, no problem with internet at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I guess, like anywhere rural areas, it's more difficult to come by.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean Brazil is really big and we have like a lot of different time zones and different accents inside the country. But yeah, I'm born and raised in Rio. Rio is one of the biggest cities so we don't have too much problem with like Internet. Some days it goes off for a few hours, but not like really really big problem, you know.
Speaker 1:Is Rio where they have the big thing on the, the statue on the mountain yeah, the big jesus right yeah yeah, yeah, it's here and that's the tourist side of me coming out. But yes, I that that always looks like something that would be really cool to go visit at some point yeah, one of our, so like with shaped and decacker.
Speaker 6:we're 10 people and we're spread in six countries, and I think one of our coworkers who's in Brazil has less internet problems than some of us in other parts of the world. He just has consistent internet. So, like you said, if you're in a big city like Sao Paulo and Rio, I don't think it's ever a problem. It's more the blocking specifically of Twitter. Right, but like, as opposed to you know, you go to, you know some rural parts of anywhere, like whether you're in the US or you know Europe or South America, I think you will have some internet issues in certain areas, but for the most part, every time I've traveled to South America, it's not a problem there.
Speaker 8:Come and visit Clutch, it's going to help. Yes.
Speaker 6:Yes, there you go All right.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I definitely want to get back to traveling more. What was that?
Speaker 1:You can keep connected while you're here, don't worry oh, yeah, yeah, you know, I have two little kids, so I feel like I haven't traveled much in recent years and I'm so looking forward to them, like you don't want to rush it right, but like I am looking forward to when they get a little older and I can travel more. It's always a challenge, well, that is. Does anybody have anything else you want to touch on? I know, praveen, maybe you want to touch on our theme. We have a theme, it's Brasa. You want to say what that means?
Speaker 6:so I was not ready for this.
Speaker 6:So we had a chat group and I said you know, I don't want to name the chat group, just like brazil.
Speaker 6:And then, uh, I think it was I can't remember the omente over or lord who came up with brasa and they were explaining how it's like the um just gives a. It's such a, it's such a nice sounding word that gives a sense of the feeling of like the fire of brazil and the culture around that, the cooking styles and stuff like that. So I will not butcher the explanation we had, because I think we've put it into uh, in one of the videos or something. But, um, it just felt like having a theme as a word, that, even if you don't know the meaning, it just sounds strong and like it's fighting back, like a fire that's not easy to put out in a good sense, like an ember that's just burning strong, and so that was. I felt it captured the spirit of, at least, as I keep saying, as an outsider looking at the culture of Brazilians and the way they create art and, uh, create culture yeah, I think it literally means hot coal.
Speaker 8:Um, I don't know if hugo or honest can chime in yeah, it means amber, yeah and but it also it's also slang for brazil itself so you guys use that, or brazuca. Brazuca is like a slang for brazilian. Braza could be a slang for brazil in the same sense, but brazil, the word itself comes from like. It's like a place of embers. That's because of the forest that the original colonizers found on the coast of brazil, which had, like this, red wood, and that's why they called the land Brazil at the time.
Speaker 1:Thank you, always appreciate the backstories and the history lessons.
Speaker 6:Yes, when you use chat GPT, of course it gives you like a literal translation as opposed to the cultural intonation of like what the word means to the to brazilians. So that was uh. The explanation just now was much better, of course okay, uh, to justin or nico.
Speaker 1:Is there anything else you guys want to touch on before we go? I do want to let you know. I just bid on three of your guys's pieces.
Speaker 4:So good luck to you, artists well, this has been a lovely spaces, but that really just makes it all worth it, doesn't it? Um? No, I mean, I think justin may have some things. I know justin has been working, has been working when a, the whole team has been working on this, but justin, in particular, has been doing a lot behind the scenes, um, so he probably has some ideas. But I think, just, you know one thing that's just so beautiful about it, and is that you know we have these, both of us, us at am and to create.
Speaker 4:We have these initiatives about brazil and brazilian artists, and what I think is really great actually is there isn't necessarily an aesthetic through line, um, and I think that just speaks to the kind of vibrancy of brazil, vibrancy of digital art in general, and the sort of plurality of creativity that we have all around us is really exciting. So, yeah, really excited about our collection. Also, click create. Excited to see what, to see all of your artworks come to be available. But, yes, our show Desconectados is live now. The auctions are live until Thursday midday, so please do check back. There's some really beautiful, amazing works, and we're grateful that a number of the artists got to be here today to speak as well. So thank you so much, justin. Do you have anything you want to add?
Speaker 5:I just want to also point at the top. We've posted some of the works as well, as we have at AOTM, we do an on-cyber gallery so you guys can check out all the works together. It's sort of a really lovely survey of all the works. Yeah, and just to say thank you, we could not be here without the artists. There's so many more artists to discover. I encourage everyone to check out these artists, see what they're up to. I know Otis has created a behind the scenes of his work and his process. Hugo is very active on Instagram as well. Les Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koumé Koum things with tech and there's so many more artists. But, yeah, aniko and I are always around. Tag us in new works that you're creating. If anyone today that's with us in the audience has works that they want to share or are collectors that have works they want to share. We're always on the search for new, new talent and a new creativity. So thank you, click create for creating this space and, uh, thank you to the artists.
Speaker 1:Most importantly, well, thank you guys for joining us. Uh, I do want to say we also put our uh, our curator spotlight up, um, maybe a little over half an hour ago. It is a eightminute long video that we made of Praveen telling why he chose his artist. It's a great, great spotlight. I know Praveen couldn't believe how good we. What did you say? You're like? How did you make me sound?
Speaker 6:so good. That's some seriously good editing where you guys make me sound coherent. Whatever man I think I might have had the record for NorCal having to record me for 69 minutes and then the team having to reduce it down to five minutes because I wasn't coherent enough.
Speaker 1:Whatever? I'm sure you did great. Well, we did post that. I also have an interesting side story, uh, briefly, uh, caravaggio, who's rapping with you guys? He is how I mentioned that. Yeah, I, that's one of the pieces I just bid on because I was like, wow, this is full circle, this is like how I got to meet bbd and giga, chad pepe and all this stuff, because those guys started tungsten bow and caravaggio, made a piece and that's the piece I bid on and won.
Speaker 6:Uh, back in 21 or whenever it was, and uh, yeah, interesting, yeah, so like when clutch and I first started chatting, uh, caravaggio was one of the people we were like, oh man, check out this guy's. Every time he dropped. I remember clutch and I would send each other like be like, did you see the new caravaggio? Do you see the new Caravaggio? This is way back, you know, like three years ago. It's kind of it's great to see him still around.
Speaker 5:Yeah, let's hope I get it. Yeah, let's get it. Make it full circle as we close the space too. Maybe, clutch, we could also tap in with the artist. Maybe Otis and Liz Cugameles and Hugo. Do you have any sort of final thoughts or what are you excited about after this space?
Speaker 7:Hey, I'll go for it. So just want to thank everyone for being here to listen to us. It's really awesome to highlight some Brazilian artists as being a Brazilian artist here and talk about everyone. It's really awesome and fun. And for the whole AOTM team Justin Oniko, everyone behind the scenes for pushing this out and Quick Create Pravhim Clutch Also a big shout out to Clutch. He just placed a new bid on my piece. So, yeah, really awesome. And yeah, I don't have too much to say about this. It's just been really fun to keep creating, especially now with this X band. But, like I said in the beginning of our space, I think better days will come for us, so we just need to keep pushing.
Speaker 6:I just want to throw in one thing. I did make a bid on one of the AOTM works before the spaces started, but then, since Clutch also just made some bids, I also made some bids and I hope they all get outbid heavily by whoever's out there.
Speaker 9:So good luck to the artists and to the artists and to the atm uh, it's oh, go ahead you go go, go ahead hi, I just want to say thank you to everyone who came to listen and take space to be able to speak about my work is really nice, and all the organization of the show also. It's been really nice to to be able um, yeah, to be in it, because it's very organized. Like everything is, then is well makes the process very smooth.
Speaker 8:So, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'd also like to thank the opportunity for being here and and also especially the team at aotm. You guys are amazing. I'm super happy to have uh connected with you. Uh, everything in the organization was uh perfect from from beginning to end. I hope uh, it's uh, it's a great uh, it's a great show and a great auction for for everyone, uh, for aotm, but especially for the artists involved. I'm happy to see that I was outbid uh on the bid that I put as well, so that's good, good and I hope the bids keep coming. The pieces are awesome and the artists are very, very much deserving of getting good value for their work. So, yeah, thank you everyone, and I really make myself available for anything you guys want to propose in terms of all to to showcase more artists thank you guys.
Speaker 5:So much and go ahead, clutch. Thank you again.
Speaker 1:I was just I was gonna say I love your space, uh, your piece, by the way you go, it is so fun, I just makes me laugh. I will say it is uh your your comment.
Speaker 8:Your comment was was was funny, I don't know. I didn't really know it was a compliment or what, but it was funny, I enjoyed it, yeah, please please watch the piece with sound. Watch the piece with sound because it makes the entire difference sometimes when you look at the piece on on the. It has no sound but sound is fundamental for it.
Speaker 6:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Alright.
Speaker 8:You have to click on it and play with sound.
Speaker 1:Alright, I will do that. It immediately reminded me of who's the artist in New York who was always doing the crazy demonstrative works with himself. Drawn a blank.
Speaker 4:It's like Henry David, something.
Speaker 8:Yeah, you can't hear, nobody Ginger yeah.
Speaker 4:You can't hear anybody, yeah, but no, I love this work. It's not often in actually in digital art or in Web3 art, crypto art, whatever you want to call it we don't often see sort of like performance, body politics, identity stuff. So it's really, it's really fun, really awesome to see that and I think, uh, yeah, it's really great, it's really awesome work, very unique and and obviously really speaks the spirit of of the sort of show.
Speaker 8:So, yeah, thanks, it's, it's, yeah, it's work. That that's uh. It's harder, I think, to communicate because it's uh, it's. Usually my videos are long, so there's a story, there's a narrative. You have to watch it to the end, but it's what I love to do and what I do best, I think. So, yeah, there's a lot of references to something Like I love how Rebecca Rose mentioned like there's a Chaplin-esque thing to it. There's an artist that I admire, a Brazilian artist called Helio Oiticica, which Amanda mentioned in the space yesterday, who is also referenced for that word. So, yeah, I'm happy to have it in the curation. I think it's a beautiful curation about Brazil overall.
Speaker 5:And that's a good point. I'd encourage everyone to also check out everyone's feeds, whether they're on Instagram or on Twitter. These are artists and artists that are dedicating their lives, day in and day out, to really creating something special. And to Aniko's point earlier, there's so many different aesthetics and different genres and different sort of genres and different perspectives, and it's really cool to see everyone here really committed to their art and their craft so awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you everyone. We are good to go at ClickCreate, if you guys are good to go at AOTM.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Thank you again so much for having us. I also think it's great to come together two entities really, ultimately trying to amplify artists, but also both selling artwork and you know we're collaborating on this and I think that's really great and awesome. So thank you so much for having us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Hey, no problem, I feel like it's better to, you know, roll the boat in the same direction anyway, and we've done that plenty of times with other people Transient and Fungie's group and stuff. So you know, I think we all know who is really here with good intentions by now. So it's easy to find the people you can trust and know like, oh yeah, I want them in my circle, they're good people and so I think that's a, that's the, that's the one bonus we have of going through the bear market. We were able to find all those people and filter the junk out. So thank you everyone who showed up today. Appreciate everybody's time.
Speaker 1:As I said earlier, the recording I will have to release it later. Apparently, when we change the name of this we were not every time you change the name of a space apparently you have to click record again and we missed it and we edited it like three times. We missed it on the final edit, unfortunately, unfortunately. So if you do a space yourself in the future, keep that in mind, learn from our mistake, please, and I will get this recorded up and we will find a way to post this. I might post this on a NorCal and Clutch pod. I'm not really sure. I'm going to talk to NorCal to see how he recommends best doing this. Nobody's recorded more stuff than him, I'm pretty sure and then we will get that posted. We'll share it with the AOTM team and we will try to share it on our our Twitter platforms so that more people can hopefully listen in. Thank you all for your time. I hope you have a great day. Take care everybody. Bye.
